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[Suggestion] Call-Sign Board
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18th Sep 2017

So similar to how we have the radio channel and freq board, I'd like to see a board at each spawn with a list of radio call-signs.
OR
Have the sign updated so that it can have the call-sign followed by it's respected channel (Tho that might take up to much room on the board so one for INF and one for Air and Armour elements if we go with this idea)

I.E

Board 1 "Infantry Call-Signs"

"All elements below are channel 1 long-range"
A11 - C/S "Alpha" (Section 1)
A12 - C/S "Bravo"  (Squad 2)
A13  - C/S "Charlie" (Squad 3)
R11 - C/S "Mine" (EOD)
R21 - C/S "Wookie" (Sniper)

Board 2 "Air and amour"

"All elements below are channel 1 long-range"
E11 - C/S "Badger" (British Armour)
E12 - C/S "Trojan" (American Armour)
C1 - C/S "Starlight" (BAF Pilot/Crew Chief)
C2 - C/S "Ghost" (US Pilot/Crew Chief)
C3 - C/S "Hawk" (Apache)

All can be changed and layed out better possibly with fiddling around. 
Can't remember is we have an Brit and yank armour or if it's just "Amour" With the British skin but can drive and armoured vic.

Also Next to each respected vic there could be a sign with literally just it's call-sign for instance.
I walk up to the Apache and in big bold lettering on a sign it'll say "Hawk" so you know it can't be missed which call-sign is what. 

Another use for the boards


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18th Sep 2017

Idea = 10/10

Alley-ness of C/s = 1/10



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18th Sep 2017

It's just to shorten shit bruv.
You think half the people even know what ally means?

I have a full snipertapped GPMG, sniper tapped lid with netting, and Parasmock, literally most alley person around.


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18th Sep 2017

There's an imaginary venn diagram here that severely cuts down the usage and benefit of such an addition. On one side it's so rare to have more than 3 separate elements that can't be easily differentiated by whatever callsign they normally use so it's never necessary to enforce particular callsigns like this. If this is ever the case then only 3-4 people are on that net anyway so just tell them if it's egregiously problematic. Someone calling themselves 1-charlie as we do in ops instead of alpha 1-1 charlie does not count. Unless you're suggesting they call themselves alpha charlie, but I'm sure you can see the problems associated with that.

Then there's the additional demographic of people that actually have long range radios never really needing callsigns forced upon them because they have either common sense or RTO training (noone's going to get in a tank and call it apache for example). I know there'll be someone saying 'they're not forced, it's just a guideline' in response, so I'll point out there's always someone that takes it as gospel and tries to force it on other people, putting a downer on their evening as a result which then filters down to inf blokes getting a bad experience because their section commander has had to put up with bull on the net.

On top of that we've got new guys that see everything in front of them and get a bit overwhelmed, which is pretty common with everything we've got going on already. Adding all these funny numbers and letters and being told by the section commander to 'just ignore it' will only make that worse by adding elements in front of the new guys that they can't understand. The alternative is to explain it out and just pile more info on them.

I very much understand the appeal of ultra-hardcore-signaller-nerdgasm callsigns for the 3-4 people on the net that it'll affect, but I think putting it onto people that don't want to say "hello alpha 1-1 charlie, this is alpha 1-3 charlie" whenever they want to say anything on the net is a bridge too far. If it changes in ops then it filters into public, it's never going to be the other way around and I'm not going to allow split protocol. I'm aware there's a stigma of management blokes saying no to things but I hope I've outlined exactly why this particular suggestion isn't feasible


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Last Edit: 18th Sep 2017 by Hobbs
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18th Sep 2017

I wouldn't say use the Alpha 1-1-Charlie format type style because theere's a lack of solid elements, I.E Platoons, and squadrons.
But I guess I should have said EITHER use the Call sign "Alpha" OR "1-1"
The issue with just doing "1-Charlie" is that we ain't a full British Platoon so the need for Charlie wouldn't make sense.

The idea behind either use 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 was to use an alternative to stuff such as Alpha, Bravo, Charlie
but then again we could stick to using Alpha, Bravo, Charlie instead of 1-1, 1-2, 1-3 , as it's a working method we already use in the public.
But what'd I'd like to see is either one or the other used as the official call-sign for the elements.
(Same goes for all other elements, Air, Armour, and special ground roles)

A refined version of my table above is shown below using the Alpha, Bravo, Charlie system for call-signs.

Board 1 "Infantry Call-Signs"

"All elements below are channel 1 long-range"
C/S "Alpha" (Section 1)
C/S "Bravo" (Squad 2)
C/S "Charlie" (Squad 3)
C/S "Mine" (EOD)
C/S "Wookie" (Sniper)

Same goes for other elements

Board 2 "Air and amour"

"All elements below are channel 1 long-range"
C/S "Badger" (British Armour)
C/S "Trojan" (American Armour)
C/S "Starlight" (BAF Pilot/Crew Chief)
C/S "Ghost" (US Pilot/Crew Chief)
C/S "Hawk" (Apache)

It would just be nice to have a predefined list of call-signs instead of having me pipe up on the net saying "Blackhawk". For instance we had wildcat on few nights ago calling himself "Starlight" but yet I hailed him as Wildcat, and the same for the Venom on Cherno domi who called himself "Iceman" but yet hailed constantly by all elements as Venom.

If you wish to drop all the A11, R12, blah blah blah then fair enough! That's fine that's cool as by looking briefly at my first table, to a new person or someone who mildly understand comms wouldn't have a clue what the fuck he was looking at.

We try to create realism to the best we can but with a few changes here and there to adjust for gameplay - With making it overall easier in public because well... It's public compared to OP's.
By having a predefiend call-signs on a board at a base near the box and the Call-sign of the element on a board right next to the Vic, It would help bring us closer to realism but within the user friendly public sense we aim to bring.


Last Edit: 18th Sep 2017 by TheLocalPub
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18th Sep 2017

QuoteR11 - C/S "Mine" (EOD)
Mine? really? why u do dis


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18th Sep 2017

QuoteMine? really? why u do dis

It's an actual call-sign 
Thought it'd fit well.



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18th Sep 2017

Us simple folk still struggle with Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Air and Armor
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18th Sep 2017

QuoteIt's an actual call-sign 

Thought it'd fit well.
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19th Sep 2017

But what about when the USS Enterprise (tenk) comes storming through the battlefield at warp (E) speed firing broton torpedoes (105mm) at thoes damn klingons (enter eastern european nation here).

Well? Exactly.

Tldr. People like having a bit of creativity with callsigns on public as its 9/10 just a small group of people. Dont really think this would add much other than creating a culture of no you cant change this as it is on the board!


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19th Sep 2017

But that's literally the point... To have a standard call sign so I'm not constantly say "Hello C-130, air drop please"

I don't understand why people in this community are so against change, especially change that isn't bad.
Like apart from the fact of someone thinking "oh we shouldn't have it because I don't want it" what valid reason clearly makes it a bad proposal?


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19th Sep 2017

I thought he raised some very valid points. I don't have to agree with them, for them to be valid.

I think it's fair comment to be concerned about changes that may potentially promote "hey you're doing it wrong" style elitism - something that's quite prevalent, or that he likes the creative freedom that goes alongside the current way.

I have to address this comment about the community being against change, because honestly it's silly. I think generally when this comment is made, it's really "the community is against MY change".

The community isn't against change, and whether that change is good or not is most of the time subjective. There are people who err on the side of caution with proposals - which is very much needed as a check and balance sort of thing. There's a cognitive bias in recalling changes, you're more likely to remember the changes that spurred conversation, certainly if you engaged in it yourself, than those that went by with no problem.

Those that do engage in that manner are generally a very small subset of the overall community. I believe the majority of the member base keeps 'relatively' informed on the forums, turn up to public/ops and occasionally pop on TS for "shit games" - there's a great deal of trust from those that our changes/additions aren't going to ruin their enjoyment. It's important we do the most we can in preventing their night is ruined - it's very disheartening for us as well, when a change with a lot of effort and enthusiasm behind is a big let down. The feedback we get is very helpful in that effort.

There's been far more updates released that have had little to no feedback, than those that have. The last week gives good example, with lots of changes to public, config/framework and even the forums that had no comment against.


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19th Sep 2017

i never liked callsigns , i think its tacky and just a bit shit to be honest (same with obj names and stuff in ops but that a seperate post )...." big bird its snoop dawg copy" i dont mind a universal name that maybe people have used for years ? ..not just making up words like trojan (condom) , ghost and all that crap lol

for years it has been blackhawk this is zero copy or blackhawk this is alpha copy ...there is no problem with this , its simple everyone understands ...and believe it or not ...alot of it comes naturally lol ...no matter how hard i try i will still fall back into the "old ways"...sign board or no signboard


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Last Edit: 19th Sep 2017 by JEFRO
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19th Sep 2017

Can i just get a clean cut answer as to why people are apposed to using a set call sign for the public server?


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19th Sep 2017

i WILL be opposed to it , depending on what it contains

fancey condom names and im out , normal simple things that the majority know , then yea im in

example :

blackhawk this is zero alpha copy ( perfect simple understandable )

starlight this is trojan copy ( sounds shit , too milsim , and i just dont like it seems gimiky / gamey dunno cant find right word lol )

i prefer simplicity in this regard of callsigns - if we are to ever get public players playing the public then maybe they would benifit fron that standpoint too.





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19th Sep 2017

But if that's to gamey then let's do the whole prefix and suffix and alphanumeric ahit, but that's to much for public play people will say.

It's either one or the other or none. But personally if it comes to none then I went a solid no bullshit answer as to why having a standard call sign for stuff would be bad.


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19th Sep 2017

yea possibly , i wont say none tho geez defo because a sign board with call signs aint a bad idea lol



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Last Edit: 19th Sep 2017 by JEFRO
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19th Sep 2017

Pub the problem isn't that the idea isn't bad I support it as it reminiscent of the old arma 2 public, it isn't that it's to much work it would take no.more than 10 minutes, Pub the problem is TWC isn't a democracy. If management don't like something it won't be implemented.

I usually give up arguing my point if a member of management says no because 9 times out of 10 your reply won't change their mind after. 

It's not because they are opposed to change it is like bose eloquently put it, it is about MY change

I rarely had my mind changed by a suggestion thread and have rarely seen it happen since. It isn't because management are bad it us because it just isn't their change. 

Management decide what the group is about as they are the ones who put the work into it. That is why we can only suggest.

I think your idea is great but its hobbs server hobb's rules. He thinks it will make it elitist whether he is right or wrong about this is for another thread. But what matters is that is his view.



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19th Sep 2017

I understand that Will.
The whole it's what management says go's and I'm fine with that. But what I ain't cool with is management giving some half cut reason that isn't even really a final summary.
When they clearly know there's a disscusion but choose to avoid it because it's their say vs ours.

If management say no then fair do's... Whatever.
But you can't just say no because they have a red name.. .They have to say no with a valid reason as to why it shouldn't be added/changed and not as to why they don't personally want it.



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19th Sep 2017

Pub I think you're grasping at straws here, reasons against have already been given even by management and even when we really could just go 'Because we don't like it'.

The more objective reasons given are mainly:
  • Spells death to creative callsigns (Will I'm pretty damn sure Arma 2 didn't have set callsigns, granted Alpha Bravo and Charlie usually kept these names but I'm positive the artillery didn't have a setcallsign and just chose whatever. So wuite literally as it is now.)
  • Establishes more rules, which is a bad thing as Public should be as accessible as possible.

There is also the fact that Management in the form of Hobbs have given it a no go and TWC after all is an Enlighened Elective Monarchy based on a pseudo-feudal system (Members provide money and manpower, Management provides Operation, Public and the forums) where management has constitutional but sole power.

Moreover ad perhaps the most striking point is the following:
The majority doesn't this. In this thread has you and a single other person arguing for this system, with the rest (not just management) arguing against. The thread has been up for quite some time as well and continously been bumped, yet the OP doesn't have a single like. Maybe this groups doesn't want change, because the evil management cabale is literally unable to come up with new stuff and influences the Members by Chemtrails and via the Mass Media to share their opinions. Or maybe, just maybe, people are fine with the radio discipline on the Public as it is, because it's not disaster, but actually pretty good.


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