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Suggestion: Different Loadout for US ARMY.
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11th Jan 2017

Currently loadout's are incorrect to their real world counterparts.
Seen the fact that Squad leaders carry the 117's it would be more inventory aware to give them a M4/M16 without the M203, seen the fact that a squad leader is usually the person not in the firing line to organize things out with the PC.

For short replace the M4/M203 with regular M4's on the Squad and Team Leaders

Quote(Real World according to Wikipedia)
The  U.S. Army particularly emphasizes the fireteam concept.[sup] [7] [/sup] Per U.S. Army doctrine a typical fire team consists of four soldiers[sup] [8] [/sup][sup] [9] [/sup]
  • Team Leader (TL): Usually either a sergeant or corporal (although occasionally a team is led by a specialist or private first class when the platoon has a shortage of junior NCOs). Provides tactical leadership for the team at all times with a "Do As I Do" attitude; standard equipped with backpack GPS/radio set, and either an  M16 rifle or  M4 carbine.
  • Rifleman (R): Is 'the baseline standard for all infantrymen'. They are equipped with the M16 rifle or M4 carbine. The rifleman is usually assigned with the grenadier to help balance the firepower capabilities of the automatic rifleman.
  • Grenadier Rifleman (GR): Provides limited high-angle fire over ' Dead zones'. A grenadier is equipped with an M4/M16 with the  M203 grenade launcher (or newer  M320 grenade launcher) mounted to the weapon.
  • Automatic Rifleman (AR): Second-in-command next to team leader: provides  overwatch and  suppressive fire through  force multiplication. The most casualty producing person in a fireteam, in terms of firepower and maneuverability when compared to the standard nine-man rifle squad. An automatic rifleman is equipped with a  M249 light machine gun. The automatic rifleman is usually assigned with the team leader to maximize directed fields of fire and to help balance the firepower capabilities of the grenadier.


Word to the wise, War is a necessary undergoing of change, the evidence is all around us, War formed and changed The United States, War formed and United the United Kingdom, War formed the countries now part of the European Union, i'm just saying!

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11th Jan 2017

*cough* US medic needs a bigger backpack for his shit


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11th Jan 2017

Hello!

It's on the list now.
https://docs.google.com/s ... 9yKOqOydQ/edit#gid=0

Cheers,
Adam


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11th Jan 2017

Can we get two sources to confirm this? Wikipedia did for the longest time incorrectly state British section layouts (probably still does).

EDIT: Did a little googling, the USMC team leads use the M203, US Army does not.

http://webcache.googleuse ... ;client=firefox-b-ab



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Last Edit: 11th Jan 2017 by Bosenator
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dont the US army now use the M320? 

https://en.wikipedia.org/ ... nade_Launcher_Module

Fielding of the M320 was planned to begin in February 2009, with 71,600 GLMs planned to phase out the M203 by 2015.[1] The weapon was officially fielded in July 2009 at Fort Bragg by the 1st Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division.[7]



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Last Edit: 11th Jan 2017 by Chaza
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We're talking exclusively about Squad and Team Leads using it.


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Since we are in the area of this. Charlie "Squad Leader" Should carry a standard M-16.
"1004. Weapons
a. Organic Weapons. Theorganic weapons of the squad are as follows:
(1) Squad Leader. M-16 rifle and bayonet knife.
(2) Fire Team Leader/Grenadier. M-16 rifle with a 40 mm, M-203 grenade
launcher attached and bayonet knife.
(3) Automatic Rifleman. Squad automaticweapon (SAW) and combat
knife (K-bar).
(4) Assistant Automatic Rifleman. M-16 rifle and bayonet knife.
(5) Rifleman. M-16 rifle and bayonet knife.
"
Quote from
http://www.marines.mil/Po ... %20Rifle%20Squad.pdf


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Last Edit: 11th Jan 2017 by Ghostie3k
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Whilst I appreciate the input, we're talking about the US Army & USMC, Preacher. I'm not sure what the Dutch army has to do with the price of tea in China.

We've got some good sources here on what either force uses equipment wise at the tactical level, and the missions will be updated to reflect their real life counterparts as best as we can.


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Deleted my comment! You are more than right Bose. It provided no sensible input whatsoever.


Word to the wise, War is a necessary undergoing of change, the evidence is all around us, War formed and changed The United States, War formed and United the United Kingdom, War formed the countries now part of the European Union, i'm just saying!

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11th Jan 2017

Hi Guys,

I'm still doing my research on this topic.
As a starting point I'm using the following sources.
Marine: http://www.marines.com/op ... ng-forces/equipment/
BAF: http://www.army.mod.uk/eq ... pment/equipment.aspx
US Army http://www.goarmy.com/abo ... s-and-equipment.html

I'll dig deeper into this.
@Channy can you please be more precise on what shit doesn't fit for the medic?

Cheers,
Adam


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Adam, since you have a lot on your mind and I don't, i'll be more then happy to make you a simple overview?


Word to the wise, War is a necessary undergoing of change, the evidence is all around us, War formed and changed The United States, War formed and United the United Kingdom, War formed the countries now part of the European Union, i'm just saying!

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Thanks Preacher! That would be great. I really appreciate your help.

Cheers,
Adam


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Can somebody please conform this for Alpha if this is correct to their real world counterparts?

Alpha Section Lead
1 × L85A2 rifle
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades

Alpha Rifleman/Pointman
1 × L85A2 rifle
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
1 × AT4 84mm anti-tank weapon
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades

Alpha Grenadier
1 × L85A2 rifle with L123A2 UGL (underslung grenade launcher)
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades
1 × L72A9 light anti-structure munition

Alpha Auto Rifleman
1 × L110A2 Minimi light machine gun
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades

Alpha 2IC
1 × L85A2 rifle with L123A2 UGL (underslung grenade launcher)
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades

Alpha Machinegunner
1 x L7A2
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades

Alpha Marksman
1 × L129A1 DMR rifle
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades

Alpha Medic
1 × L85A2 rifle
1 × L84 White phosphorus smoke grenades
1 × L132A1 Smoke grenades
2 × L109A1 High explosive grenades


Word to the wise, War is a necessary undergoing of change, the evidence is all around us, War formed and changed The United States, War formed and United the United Kingdom, War formed the countries now part of the European Union, i'm just saying!

Last Edit: 12th Jan 2017 by Preacher
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12th Jan 2017

lol i cant believe this is even a topic after what, 2 years of trying to make loadouts as realistic as possible ....

and preacher yes , that is correct "depending on timeline"

example - marksman was issued the lapaua on section level in afghan , but was replaced by the current weapon L129A1...

shotguns were also used with pointmen- but again depending on timeline ...

flash bangs were also another conversation we had , they were used but specific to unit and task at hand ...

edit : as this is a usmc and us army topic , can i ask whats the situation with the raven ? it would be nice to have that issued to the sniper team , but the last time me n harry checked it was broken - anyone know if it's fixed and can be used ? ....using the armed drone aswell would be nice - but think that was broken aswell...



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Last Edit: 12th Jan 2017 by JEFRO
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Depends if it is insurgency or domi. If its insurgency then the first rifleman should be called pointman with an optional shotty and a vallon.

No UGL for 2ic

Everyone should have chemlight IRx1, other x1, ksf1 and map tools.

Give the LAW to the pointman as the 2ic will have..

An "H" variant daysack to carry spare ammo (Should have access to all section ammo types and tracer variants

TBC


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Word to the wise, War is a necessary undergoing of change, the evidence is all around us, War formed and changed The United States, War formed and United the United Kingdom, War formed the countries now part of the European Union, i'm just saying!

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